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We believe that mindful debates and opinions could possibly clarify actual events of this legend. This is why we created the website and forum. However, destructive and negative debates tarnish and break down the pursuit. What is not debatable is the presence of our website. It is here for a purpose. We believe there is valuable information that has come from our research and work. However, it is possible that it might not agree with your research. We encourage you to share any productive information you wish. If you feel that you might have something that might complete the puzzle, please feel free to contact us. Maybe we can help each other. We are always pursuing information pertaining to the "Lost French Gold."

This is why we moderate, inspect, approve, or disapprove posts and comments before allowing them to publish to our site. Also, it is done for security and streamlines our efforts.

The debates seem to start on the very existence of the legend itself. How could this legend be possible? Why has it not been found? How could something so important get lost in history? These are all excellent questions and have to be addressed. But, there will always be people who can't believe. However, there will always be people who turn over every rock to search.

But could it be true? And the answer is YES. It's actually pretty simple.  Just start with looking at actual established history. With a little bit of inductive reasoning, basic logic, and yes - some imagination, any historian or treasure hunter could build a very serious case for this legend and determine it's accuracy.

This is an abstract view of why we have been searching. It might not make sense, but if you add all the items we have posted in the forum, this is why we continue to search.

Our group started with it's origins. This is how we built the general idea that the legend is true and the gold (At least a large part of it) really still exists. We setup some simple tests.

First, the basic facts. We all know that early Spanish explorers like Juan De Onate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_de_O%C3%B1ate established settlements in the Rocky Mountains in and around present day Colorado.  While dates differ between historians, the general reasons for the explorers being here fell into 3 categories; Claiming new lands for their King's, religious conversion of the indigenous peoples and cultures, and of course, finding gold, silver, and other precious resources. This legend clearly passes this test. Certainly, it does not undermine it. Let's continue.

Second, we know that explorers, hunters, trappers, prospectors, and miners spread out all across Colorado from these settlements. Some were escorted by soldiers (regardless of their nationalities), and some did not. There are countless documented stories of groups and individuals leaving for the wilderness areas of Colorado. The legend clearly passes this test. Again, it does not undermine it.

Third, by actually investing our time and resources to the find clues, our group has uncovered numerous sites and documents that all pertain directly to the legend in some form or another. We agree that there is some differences from author to author, and historian to historian. Some of the differences are extensive. Our group does not debate this. This is where the research gets tough. However, the clues are substantial enough that creating this website and documenting what we've accomplished was warranted. There is clearly enough evidence to go forward and continue the search years to come.

Fourth, and most impressive, is the history known only by the locals. For instance, by interviewing locals and following their leads, we have come to only one conclusion. Something of great value was worth looking for and many have tried. "Where there's smoke, there's fire!" There is a distinct pattern that emerges! The legend becomes a true story on it's own. Many of the locals from the San Luis Valley have deep French and Spanish ancestry. For many, this legend has been handed down from one generation to another. It is in different forms, but many insist that it is part of their culture. The stories always conclude that a vast amount of gold was hidden (buried) somewhere in the vicinity of the San Luis Valley and outer areas. What happens to the men varies widely. The stories underlying common denominators include a large group men who bury the a massive amount of gold and the details of this process. Also, the other denominator includes attempts to get the gold to Europe and/or come back to retrieve it in the future.

Interviewing individuals in the the Pagosa Springs and Del Norte has proven to be most productive. Again, many of these locals and historians believe the story is true. They have contributed valuable insight. It's much more than that! You can see it in their eyes. We truly believe the story is true. The merit of authors does come into play. This is why we continue in our search.

Our forum is not really a debate. Disputing reputable historians or treasure hunters with small differences in their stories is not necessary. None of us were actually living then. What we need, of course, is evidence. Perhaps it is found in documented history that already has been recorded. Let's look at some simple but powerful documented facts:

FRENCH FACTS:

We know that in 1682 Frenchman Rene-Robert Cavelier, Sieu de La Salle claimed and controlled the lower Mississippi River for King Louis the XIV. He established forts in Texas and by 1684 had established forts as far north as Illinois. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9-Robert_Cavelier,_Sieur_de_La_Salle.

We know that New Orleans (French colony) was founded by the French in 1718 by Bienville. It was the capital of the Louisiana Territory. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans.

Starting at 1739, American history recognizes the Mallet brother's expedition from 1739-1741. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Antoine_and_Paul_Mallet

SPANISH FACTS:

We know that between 1540-1542, Francisco Vázquez de Coronado y Luján explored the southwest territories north of the Rio Grande. He was looking for the Cities of Cíbola, often referred to now as the mythical Seven Cities of Gold. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_V%C3%A1zquez_de_Coronado.

Other famous Spanish explorers included:

Pineda 1519 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alonso_%C3%81lvarez_de_Pineda.

De Vaca 1528 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81lvar_N%C3%BA%C3%B1ez_Cabeza_de_Vaca.

De Soto 1541 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hernando_de_Soto.

Please remember many people have contributed their time and hard work in this project. Perhaps you have also. That is why this web page is dedicated to be as accurate as possible. We are not trying to agree with everyone, we are trying to find the treasure. Our opinion is that the legend is true.

We reserve the right to listen or not to listen, respond or not respond, to anyone we may choose. We are not obligated to post your information.

We hope it is agreeable with you. However, if not - we understand. We wish you well and you may remove us from your "History", no pun intended. Thank you for your understanding.

The conclusion is simple. “Dare to Dream!”

The idea that the gold is buried in rock slide above Pagosa sorta does not make sense. I was pulling out maps from the forest service to look at what is theorized about that location. I need a full copy of 50 Year Hunt. Just have copies of pages from the indian attack  and on. Gesterfield doesn't really make any sense. Why would you bury that amount of gold----- and how? ------ clear up the near Williams creek? How were they able to get away from indians with that much gold? I'm not trying to put out any fires, I just have been on both sides of the CD, and in these areas. Ladies and gents, this is remote areas at best. Even with horse back, if indians were after you, you could not defend yourself without scattering. Everybody that goes over Elwood could understand how the 1st group is attacked. That makes sense. But if the main party is lost and you only have a hand full of men left, most who are not soldiers, how in hell were they able to bury all that gold? I am not an indian expert, but if the 1st group got whooped and they were soldiers, how did the second group even get away? 8 or 9 people have voted and 6-7 think it is upper Weimenche. You can think that but you are going to have explain more details. How do you see the wilderness area as even 1 bit logical? I understand Gesterfield being a great guy, but this story is to hard to believe. If the indians were able to kill off the main party, they would not have stopped until they were all gone. You can count on that. These were different kind of indians and from what I hear, no one messed with them. Fierce isn't the proper word to describe the type of fighters they were. They would have pursued and killed every frenchy, every scout, and would have made sure the gold disappeared. From what I have heard, there would have been no evidence left. Treasure M. makes sense and has tons of logic compared to Gesterfield's story. It's my opinion, but come on. I have seen burns, blazes, signs, clues, listen... They are everywhere in CO. You can't go anywhere without finding some evidence. I am not talking about miners either. I am talking about forts, and buildings, structures that had nothing to do with mining. If your out hunting, you don't really look. But if you go looking for blazes, you will find them. Look at any forest map of San Juan's. Look at what is being said. I just don't believe 2-3 tons of gold is buried up there. Going to need a heck of a lot more proof.

Was also going to point out the the people who live sleep and eat while making a living in the mountains are different than your typical country boy from Kansas. And so were  indians. These weren't farmers. They were hunters. I am not changing that opinion because it is relative to how you are looking for information. You need much more information from locals down in Alamosa or Pagosa whose families have lived here for generations. If some spanish sheep herder had given all that information to Gesterfield, it would have never stayed secret. In small town like Pagosa---1920s---You could have ate chicken for dinner and your buddy across the river 10 miles away could of told what part you ate. You can't keep secrets up here I don't care who you are. Has nothing to do with money, that even makes it worse.  Every one want's to be relative and talking about everyone else is as common as sleeping. For that matter, we all do it. Not making fun of Kansas but it is a hard life in the mountains with different kinda toughness. Talking to locals here is hard. I just doubt youll find 1 single person who will disagree with what I have posted. If you think about it, it is just common sense. I love reading about this "legend" but your missing the all the people down in these valleys who been looking long before Gesterfield sorta casually came on the scene. Weekend warriors are not the same as regular ones. 50 years and lived up here for awhile. I am not questioning how good of person he was. I know how to use Google. I question Trump Obama and people who run this mickey mouse operation of country we have right now. As far as Citadel books. There is a lot of detail there. Maybe he was crazy but that is a lot of detail. People, places, things. Who what when where and why. He did not believe it was Treasure mountain, but now your left with which of these guys to believe. The honorable guy who's story is to crazy to believe, or the crazy guy with a dam good story?

I am going to have to completely agree that translating the 3 versions to French is an awesome idea. I will try to do the Spanish to French with no English. Give me a few. I like the new posts. I don't completely agree. But this county is "Mickey Mouse" and I certainly agree with that. And your right about credibility. It depends what side of the coin your looking at and why. Good stuff. I need to move these items. Some of the posts are posting a little outside of the subject.

Maynard Adams might have been crazy. I have gone over the last couple months of the posts on the forum. I differ with other people and how they perceived him. I have read posts from other sites about what they knew or not and their research about him. I have personally spoken with his wife. Several others claim they have also. Some claim this, some claim that.

As for me, I put a lot of merit into a woman's intuition. It has worked for me to many times in my own life. But it has also failed me - but not on this. Either way, I personally talked with his wife. There is no misunderstanding the tone of her voice, the answers she gave, and the disconnect that was crystal clear. His wife left me with a complete feeling of loss. It was powerful.

I got off the phone and called my friend to tell her how shocked I was. In my conversation with her, she told me that she was throwing out what stuff he had left and was in the process of moving. It's that simple. She might have been still upset about his death. She might of been lying. She might have been purposely selecting information to give me to throw me off the trail. But she wasn't. She sounded balanced and at peace. She was not disrespectful but was needing to get on with the day.  I asked her point blank the only important question - did she believe in his efforts and did she believe in it? Her answer was simple. "Well... he did."  And the way she said allowed me to fill in the blanks. NO - she didn't believe it. In 5 years, I have not been able to shake that conversation.

Whether she realized it or not, this website is created indirectly because of that conversation. I spoke with another friend who knew Maynard and had dealings with him in the past. I consider her to be a very wise women who had successfully kept her business and motel going in a remote town in Colorado. That says a lot about her. She knows her history of Colorado and is wise it's pitfalls. We concluded that Maynard was the only real ambassador to this legend and now he was gone. She told me that I should keep the story going and it should not stop because of his wife. In my opinion, there was some sort of disconnect that his wife had from his pet project that made me feel empty. I actually felt sorry for him. I knew that to let this story go that easily was a mistake. YES AND HELL YES - way way way to much detail.

I can only fall back on my information and what I know. In my personal conversations with him, I would certainly say that he was not your average "Joe". His books speak volumes about his intentions. The overwhelming amount of detail was obvious. He even did his own publishing.  I never got to ask him about the spelling of Gestefield's name in the credits and how he left out the "r". Nor did I get to ask why the word "French" was left out of the title. It is my intuition to believe this is very important. Others have agreed and some will disagree.

Yes, I think he might have been crazy. I have taken this into account. But for me, I will continue to read, display, and proudly sell his version of this legend and well as Gestefield's.

As far as the location and Gestefield, OK. Back in the day (when ever that was) this legend sparked a fire in a man who was much more simple than Maynard. But non the less, I have no way to know some answers to questions that have been presented to the logistics of his claim. I have camped the Poison park and Williams area enough to know how remote it is. Just go to Lake City and talk to law enforcement (I have - directly about legend) because this is there jurisdiction. Can you believe that? They have to drive all the way over all  3 passes and drive up that road from Pagosa just to get to Williams Reservoir. Now for me, that is mickey mouse. Call them, I am not making it up. That is the way the boundaries are. They could describe the remoteness with much detail. But back in the day (when ever that was) ALL of Colorado was that way. Furthermore, I don't think running from indians gave them much choice. But in all fairness, Gestefield's story is very hard to believe. Unless your locked in on believing in his character, you will miss the obvious. Also, small town talk is so true. You say something in Durango - they would have heard it Pagosa, even back in the day (when ever that was). By the way, Kansas country boys are really no different that Colorado country boys. Let them play football on Friday nights to decide that battle...

The indians, well they were fierce. I recently was emailing a man in CO who is law enforcement. He is into the legend like so many of us. I was explaining that there is a serious need to do research on the Weminuche Indians and that is because this is really what is needed. He's been looking longer than I have and was amazed that he hadn't. He is law enforcement and hasn't been researching the indians? He is locked in upper Weminuche, and like so many others, he clearly has his reasons. His research points him that way. 

When I 1st began searching, we met a couple camped just south of Wolf Creek pass 2 years in a row. We believed they were from Canada. They were an older couple. Every morning you could observe them looking for something wearing mountain attire, walking sticks, water, hats. We always assumed they were looking for mushrooms which is very common up there. So one morning I stopped and started talking to the older gentlemen. Guess what? He was looking for the clues from this legend! Him and his wife! They had known a very good friend (forest service) who had died some years back. His death had really broke their hearts. THEY ALL would search this area because their friend had told them about the legend and this is what their group did. He had lived in Pagaso when he had worked for the forest service. They believed the stash was in the Treasure Mountain area and their research had locked them in. They were absolutely convinced that somewhere close to where we all had base camps, was a shaft with a ladder made of rope and wood. They also believed a tunnel goes through part of mountain. WOW. Now that's pretty large claim. But I saw their faces! They seriously believed it. I was astounded that they hiked around that area so much. We didn't see them the 3rd year. Life most of caught up with them.

I am very appreciative of the different perspectives. Personally, I think you have to inductively plug in some assumptions, try this, try that, and turn over every rock. Don't need academia to look for Easter eggs! Google! For me, I found something that keeps me going. But I am not locked in to one particular area just yet. Hence forth, this website. You really don't need a horse, atv, special equipment, or anything that extravagant. You need to be on the ground. Just like the old couple. And back in the day (when ever that was) they had no special equipment other than some good "Witchers." I think everything you need to look for this treasure can be purchased at Dollar Tree or Walmart. Our group has "State of the Art" equipment. So what! I just dumped an expensive Drone in a tree so high up that we can't get it down - at least right now! This treasure is driving people crazy - including me! But you have to have faith. Where there is smoke, there was a fire.

Think about it. Gestefield was locked in and claims that a Spanish man left a horse, walked in (no metal detector), and walked out with gold within 2-3 hours! He was so careless that others were able to observe him doing this. He also claims that that same Spanish man gave him and his buddies some special information that would help them find that very stash and we are suppose to believe that it is "confidential" even in the small mountain towns of Colorado. Furthermore, we are to believe that 1,000 Weminuche Indians warriors attacked 300-400 men and only a small group survived. Then we are led to believe that small group was able to fight for their lives while running from the same indians (who were native to the area), had time to stop and bury the gold. Now we are led to believe that somehow they would fight off the elements and escaped. But most important, we are led to believe this small group of men, before they escaped, hid the gold  in such a way that only a sheep herder many years later looked over edge at a rock slide (while tending his sheep), saw a cross on a rock - some gold, and yes - "My 50 Year French Treasure Hunt." It is hard to believe.

On the other hand, Adams claims that the gold is somewhere other than Treasure Mountain! That is crazy! He could have called the series "Don't Know Where it is, But Let's Go Search" Volumes 1-3. That is a lot of books! And it is not 3 it is 5! You have to count the other 2 that directly reference the Remy, the Whites, and the Montroy family.

Yes, I think they might have both been crazy. But were all still looking. Crazy is what crazy does and I have no idea if that makes any sense!  You just have to have faith. So, I will continue to read, display, research and proudly sell their versions of the legend.

 

When it comes to this treasure legend, there is a lot of good work on this site and others. They are quality sites with good information to help form theories and decisions. The technology really helps. It takes time and resources to put information on the internet. It takes time and resources to get out and look for it. There is nothing crazy about that. There is nothing crazy about anyone who wants to find it. There is a lot of gifted people who either got the bug or don't. It is a different breed. That has to include Henry and Maynard. Years ago, I learned some good advice at church and I believe it can be applied to many other things: NEVER discount the message because of the messenger!

As per your request... The "Search" option is now "Forum Search" from the main page. It is indexes all words in a post and makes it very fast. As an example: Type in "La Salle" from the Main page "Search" ... or 1921...  There will be over 60 items added in the next 2 months. Searching is now very easy. Thank you for the suggestion of changing it.

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Looks like were back up and running. Tough to see him going through all this stuff. Hope everything is going better now . Glad the log in is up. I was posting just to make sure it was "on". Anyone got their ears on? Have not got back any emails for awhile.

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